Analyse de Jim Mac Lean après la Ryder cup 2012
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Analyse de Jim Mac Lean après la Ryder cup 2012
Un des 3 grands coachs americain nous fait une petite synthèse sur le golf et son évolution ..... À Ancrer dans sa mémoire !!!!
What I Noticed at the Ryder Cup
by Jim McLean
1. The long putter was not a factor. We had 3 players and Europe zero. Webb, Keegan and Kuchar used long putters, Webb and Keegan belly putters. They putted well, but nothing off the charts. The last day, in singles, the European's made everything...with short putters.
2. Massive diversity in golf swings. I walked inside the ropes with Keegan in the practice rounds and was on the range watching both teams. Keegan played practice rounds with Bubba Watson, Zach Johnson, Phil Mickelson, Webb Simpson, and Jason Dufner. Could you ever find more radically different swings? Well you could add in Jim Furyk, Dustin Johnson, Lee Westwood, Steve Stricker, Luke Donald, Graeme McDowell, Justin Rose, etc. All vastly different. All of us in golf know that Tiger Woods has made 3 swing changes as a professional. Some know that he was taught as a child by Rudy Duran, then at age 11 John Anselmo took over and mentored the young Tiger into the greatest amateur since Bobby Jones. He won 3 straight US Juniors, and then 3 straight US Amateur's. That was the "natural swing" of Tiger Woods. Butch Harmon upgraded that swing and helped Tiger with many other things to attain greatness in golf. However, Tiger has been great with the future changes, too. The young McIIroy has that natural look of the young Tiger Woods. He has not changed his swing to a new method. He has stuck with his childhood instructor. The idea here is that there is no right way. No one way. I watched Bubba hit some of the greatest shots you could ever believe with a swing many young teachers would change if they saw a young Bubba Watson. The probability that the young man would turn out great, or anywhere near where we see Bubba is minute. Bubba Watson hits unreal shots every time he tees it up with a swing that is totally his. The real key to being a great ball striker, or to be somewhere near a Ryder Cup Player, is the area through impact. Trackman now measures these numbers very accurately and in short include swing direction, swing path, angle of attack, clubface to path, launch direction, swing speed, ball speed, and spin loft. There is no "one way". You have to know what's important for "your swing".
3. Short game majesty. These players are all incredible with the wedge. The shots they hit around the greens are just miraculous. At Medinah the greens were incredibly firm and fast, much more so than it looks on TV. The touch and imagination required to hit these shots under intense pressure is so special. Phenomenal to see by all of us.
4. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THE RYDER CUP. I arrived at Medinah for the first practice round at 7:45. I was stunned to already see about 25,000 spectators with me. It was packed and would swell to 40,000 in a few hours. This was 3 days before the first round. Keegan and Phil did not get to the first tee until 11:00 and they were in the first group! The crowd went crazy with USA chants and encouragements.
5. Nobody is more relaxed than Freddie! For 2 days I walked with Freddie Couples. Fred grew up 15 minutes from my house in Seattle Washington. He's 10 years younger than me. I remember calling Freddie for my coach, Dave Williams, as he was trying to get him to sign with the University of Houston. Fred would eventually come and room with life long friends, Jim Nantz and Blaine McCaillister.
The spectators at Medinah loved seeing Freddie. I can tell you nobody is more relaxed than Freddie! In the last practice round, Freddie kept talking to me about the awesome ball striking of Keegan Bradley. I commented that "I think my teaching is done for this week" and Freddie was fast to say "yah, I'd say no more instruction".
6. I was extremely proud of how Keegan played in the Ryder Cup. He was awesome and I think the world saw how good this guy is!! Keegan does not want to be thinking of his swing mechanics during a tournament. He never does. He's a feel player. I encourage him to trust his swing, see the shots, and "let go"! Those might be the 2 most important words for a tournament player. We have worked hard on his swing to build in the true fundamentals of the great players. We do work on swing mechanics on the range. But I never over load him. I know that's real bad for the Keegan Bradley type player. This kid has huge talent and the desire to be great. I work a lot on those abstract areas of teaching with him.
What I Noticed at the Ryder Cup
by Jim McLean
1. The long putter was not a factor. We had 3 players and Europe zero. Webb, Keegan and Kuchar used long putters, Webb and Keegan belly putters. They putted well, but nothing off the charts. The last day, in singles, the European's made everything...with short putters.
2. Massive diversity in golf swings. I walked inside the ropes with Keegan in the practice rounds and was on the range watching both teams. Keegan played practice rounds with Bubba Watson, Zach Johnson, Phil Mickelson, Webb Simpson, and Jason Dufner. Could you ever find more radically different swings? Well you could add in Jim Furyk, Dustin Johnson, Lee Westwood, Steve Stricker, Luke Donald, Graeme McDowell, Justin Rose, etc. All vastly different. All of us in golf know that Tiger Woods has made 3 swing changes as a professional. Some know that he was taught as a child by Rudy Duran, then at age 11 John Anselmo took over and mentored the young Tiger into the greatest amateur since Bobby Jones. He won 3 straight US Juniors, and then 3 straight US Amateur's. That was the "natural swing" of Tiger Woods. Butch Harmon upgraded that swing and helped Tiger with many other things to attain greatness in golf. However, Tiger has been great with the future changes, too. The young McIIroy has that natural look of the young Tiger Woods. He has not changed his swing to a new method. He has stuck with his childhood instructor. The idea here is that there is no right way. No one way. I watched Bubba hit some of the greatest shots you could ever believe with a swing many young teachers would change if they saw a young Bubba Watson. The probability that the young man would turn out great, or anywhere near where we see Bubba is minute. Bubba Watson hits unreal shots every time he tees it up with a swing that is totally his. The real key to being a great ball striker, or to be somewhere near a Ryder Cup Player, is the area through impact. Trackman now measures these numbers very accurately and in short include swing direction, swing path, angle of attack, clubface to path, launch direction, swing speed, ball speed, and spin loft. There is no "one way". You have to know what's important for "your swing".
3. Short game majesty. These players are all incredible with the wedge. The shots they hit around the greens are just miraculous. At Medinah the greens were incredibly firm and fast, much more so than it looks on TV. The touch and imagination required to hit these shots under intense pressure is so special. Phenomenal to see by all of us.
4. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THE RYDER CUP. I arrived at Medinah for the first practice round at 7:45. I was stunned to already see about 25,000 spectators with me. It was packed and would swell to 40,000 in a few hours. This was 3 days before the first round. Keegan and Phil did not get to the first tee until 11:00 and they were in the first group! The crowd went crazy with USA chants and encouragements.
5. Nobody is more relaxed than Freddie! For 2 days I walked with Freddie Couples. Fred grew up 15 minutes from my house in Seattle Washington. He's 10 years younger than me. I remember calling Freddie for my coach, Dave Williams, as he was trying to get him to sign with the University of Houston. Fred would eventually come and room with life long friends, Jim Nantz and Blaine McCaillister.
The spectators at Medinah loved seeing Freddie. I can tell you nobody is more relaxed than Freddie! In the last practice round, Freddie kept talking to me about the awesome ball striking of Keegan Bradley. I commented that "I think my teaching is done for this week" and Freddie was fast to say "yah, I'd say no more instruction".
6. I was extremely proud of how Keegan played in the Ryder Cup. He was awesome and I think the world saw how good this guy is!! Keegan does not want to be thinking of his swing mechanics during a tournament. He never does. He's a feel player. I encourage him to trust his swing, see the shots, and "let go"! Those might be the 2 most important words for a tournament player. We have worked hard on his swing to build in the true fundamentals of the great players. We do work on swing mechanics on the range. But I never over load him. I know that's real bad for the Keegan Bradley type player. This kid has huge talent and the desire to be great. I work a lot on those abstract areas of teaching with him.
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Commentaire reçu de Jim McLean à qui j'ai donné le lien :
"Thanks Laurent. Much appreciated!"
"Thanks Laurent. Much appreciated!"
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Ah bon! C'est un de tes potes?
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J'ai fait une formation avec lui fin des années 90gerardvin a écrit:Ah bon! C'est un de tes potes?
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Laurent les connait tous !.. On a beaucoup de chance de l avoir ici!! Et d ailleurs si tu lis bien tu verrasu ils partagent la même vision du golf tous les deux!
La classe LJ !
La classe LJ !
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Laurent Jockschies a écrit:
J'ai fait une formation avec lui fin des années 90
la classe en effet !
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je suis d'accord avec lui pour dire que Keegan Bradley va encore monter de quelques crans dans l'élite dans les années à venir.
Mais il sera régulièrement dominé par Mc Ilroy, je pense. Leur match de simple est une belle illustration à mon sens : Keegan a bien joué, Rory encore mieux.
PS Martin Kaymer va refaire parler de lui, aussi.
Mais il sera régulièrement dominé par Mc Ilroy, je pense. Leur match de simple est une belle illustration à mon sens : Keegan a bien joué, Rory encore mieux.
PS Martin Kaymer va refaire parler de lui, aussi.
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L'article de Jim Mc Lean m'a fait réfléchir. Des swings différents mais avec un point commun, ... un excellent contact de balle.
Quand je regarde ces swings, je remarque un autre point commun, ... le timing.Tous ces pros ont un excellent timing. Certains avec au takeaway, plus de bras que de bas du corps. D'autres avec plus de bas du corps que de bras. Les mouvements du club sont également différents et propre à chacun. Mais tous parviennent à synchroniser l'ensemble (club, bas du corps et bras). C'est cette synchronisation qui permet un bon contact de balle ainsi que le contrôle de la distance et de la direction.
La différence entre les pros et nous, c'est cette coordination (harmonie, timing, synchronisation) club, bas du corps et bras.
On va parler de rythme, de tempo, des hanches, du takeaway, du BS, du DS, ... et de tout ce qu'on veut. Tout ceci ne sont pas des objectifs mais des moyens. Des moyens pour mieux synchroniser notre swing.
Notre vraie recherche est de savoir et comprendre ce qui est bon pour la bonne coordination de notre swing. Et le bon n'est peut-être pas "esthétique". Regardez le swing de Watson. Mais quel contact de balle magnifique. Idem pour Furyck. Car n'oublions pas, l'important, c'est l'impact.
Bien entendu, ceci est le travail du pro enseignant mais le forum et les échanges entre nous peuvent aussi nous aider. Par exemple, j'ai beaucoup aimé un conseil qu'a donné récemment Michel à Ballejaune. J'en ai parlé à mon gamin ce samedi et il m'a demandé de dire merci à Michel.
Quand je regarde ces swings, je remarque un autre point commun, ... le timing.Tous ces pros ont un excellent timing. Certains avec au takeaway, plus de bras que de bas du corps. D'autres avec plus de bas du corps que de bras. Les mouvements du club sont également différents et propre à chacun. Mais tous parviennent à synchroniser l'ensemble (club, bas du corps et bras). C'est cette synchronisation qui permet un bon contact de balle ainsi que le contrôle de la distance et de la direction.
La différence entre les pros et nous, c'est cette coordination (harmonie, timing, synchronisation) club, bas du corps et bras.
On va parler de rythme, de tempo, des hanches, du takeaway, du BS, du DS, ... et de tout ce qu'on veut. Tout ceci ne sont pas des objectifs mais des moyens. Des moyens pour mieux synchroniser notre swing.
Notre vraie recherche est de savoir et comprendre ce qui est bon pour la bonne coordination de notre swing. Et le bon n'est peut-être pas "esthétique". Regardez le swing de Watson. Mais quel contact de balle magnifique. Idem pour Furyck. Car n'oublions pas, l'important, c'est l'impact.
Bien entendu, ceci est le travail du pro enseignant mais le forum et les échanges entre nous peuvent aussi nous aider. Par exemple, j'ai beaucoup aimé un conseil qu'a donné récemment Michel à Ballejaune. J'en ai parlé à mon gamin ce samedi et il m'a demandé de dire merci à Michel.
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Qu'est-ce qui est incroyable ?
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Le premier argument, quel argument bidon.... Merci le raisonnement à deux balles. Je me suis arrêté net après cette ânerie, je vais lire la suite...
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Tommy : quel argument bidon ? La taille des putters ? Ce n'est pas un argument, c'est une observation à un moment donné.
Comme tu le sais sans doute, beaucoup de spécialistes (surtout aux USA) insistent sur le fait que les putters longs sont plus faciles et performants. D'où cette observation. Rien de plus, personne ne fait de conclusion.
Comme tu le sais sans doute, beaucoup de spécialistes (surtout aux USA) insistent sur le fait que les putters longs sont plus faciles et performants. D'où cette observation. Rien de plus, personne ne fait de conclusion.
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Teeone a écrit: Par exemple, j'ai beaucoup aimé un conseil qu'a donné récemment Michel à Ballejaune. J'en ai parlé à mon gamin ce samedi et il m'a demandé de dire merci à Michel.
Merci pour ce message !
Bien à vous deux,
M
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